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Edwin Chen is the founder and CEO of Surge AI, the company that teaches AI what’s good and bad, powering frontier labs with elite data, environments, and evaluations. Surge surpassed $1 billion in revenue with under 100 employees last year, completely bootstrapped—the fastest company in history to reach this milestone. Before founding Surge, Edwin was a research scientist at Google, Facebook, and Twitter and studied mathematics, computer science, and linguistics at MIT.
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We discuss:
How Surge reached over $1 billion in revenue with fewer than 100 people by obsessing over quality
The story behind how Claude Code got so good at coding and writing
The problems with AI benchmarks and why they’re pushing AI in the wrong direction
How RL environments are the next frontier in AI training
Why Edwin believes we’re still a decade away from AGI