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What makes a brand? Cracker Barrel found out the hard way that its interpretation was vastly different from what some customers thought. Last week, the restaurant and country store chain, which specializes in homestyle Southern cuisine, debuted a rebranded logo. The former logo, featuring a drawing of an old man—known as “Uncle Herschel”—leaning up against a barrel next to the words “Cracker Barrel,” had been simplified to the “Cracker Barrel” in black type in the center of a yellow hexagon with rounded corners. The biggest change was that the old man and barrel were gone. 

The new logo was part of Cracker Barrel’s strategic transformation plan, put together last year with the goal of increasing profitability through driving the brand’s relevancy. Some restaurant locations have been redesigned to cut back on the previous country clutter aesthetic, and the new logo was another part of that evolution. CEO Julie Masino told Good Morning America that public feedback to the remodeled locations had been “overwhelmingly positive,” and that people liked what they were doing.

And then the new logo dropped like a bomb, igniting an unexpected firestorm of online criticism—especially among conservatives. The logo without “Uncle Herschel” was decried as “woke,” though Forbes senior contributor Dani DiPlacido writes that many people were unclear about what was “woke” about the change. After all, many brands have recently done similar modern streamlining of their logos. 

President Donald Trump also weighed in, posting to Truth Social on Tuesday that the company should “admit a mistake based on customer response (the ultimate Poll), and manage the company better than ever before.” He wrote that the company could earn “a Billion Dollars worth of free publicity if they play their cards right.”

By evening, Cracker Barrel announced it would stick with the old logo featuring “Uncle Herschel,” which received praise from both Trump and investors. Its stock rose more than 6% after the announcement—though it’s worth noting that the company’s stock price had actually been higher on average last month. 

Through the controversy, Cracker Barrel perhaps already got the $1 billion in free publicity that Trump predicted. But the real question is what it means for the long term. Will all of the people who loudly protested the new logo patronize Cracker Barrel more often? Will younger consumers feel put off by a restaurant featuring an old man on its signs? When all is said and done, Cracker Barrel’s business is its restaurant, which hinges more on food and experience than the logo on a sign. The restaurant is making changes to those two things as well, and neither has inspired such a passionate response. Even before the controversy, Cracker Barrel was making its way back from a slow period, reporting the fourth consecutive quarter of positive growth in comparable location sales in June, when it also upgraded its outlook for the fiscal year for the second time. It remains to be seen whether logo controversy will give it a bigger bump. 

Customer experience is important in both restaurants and the digital space. When you’re working online, AI can be a powerful tool to enhance CX, but there needs to be some thought behind it. I talked to Anil Chakravarthy, president of Digital Experience Business at Adobe, about how to make it work in your industry. An excerpt from our conversation is later in this newsletter.

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In todays CMO newsletter:
  • First Up: Yet another pause on U.S. TikTok ban is likely coming next month
  • Artificial Intelligence: Differences are emerging on how consumer AI tools handle brand mentions
  • On Message: To be most effective, AI in the customer experience should be contextual
SOCIAL MEDIA
In spring 2024, Congress and former President Joe Biden came together to stand against TikTok, the short video social app owned by China’s ByteDance, proclaiming it a national security threat that gives China a wealth of data on Americans and a tool to spy on them. Last week came President Donald Trump’s rejoinder: those security concerns are “highly overrated.”

Trump was speaking about another potential extension of his pause on enforcing the law that passed last year, which bans the social app unless it is sold to an entity in the U.S. or an allied country. The law was set to take effect on January 19—the day before Trump’s inauguration. He’s delayed its implementation several times, saying American buyers are lining up to take control of the app—though Trump said last week he is waiting for “the right time” to talk to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the sale.

Meanwhile, the White House opened an official TikTok account last week, writes Forbes senior contributor John Brandon. The account has been accumulating videos promoting Trump, his administration and policies on things like the National Guard takeover of Washington, D.C. and illegal immigration.

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
We’re at the point in the AI revolution where we know all AI isn’t created equal. More and more, their differences are coming to light. A new report by SEO and AI-powered content performance firm BrightEdge found that ChatGPT, Google AI Mode and Google AI Overviews give different brand recommendations 62% of the time. They all agree only 17% of the time, meaning there are many opportunities for brand visibility in AI search.

BrightEdge studied how each platform approaches brands. ChatGPT relies on brand authority, relying heavily on its training data’s embedded preferences and mentioning trusted names, regardless of other validation. Google AI Overviews mention more that double the amount of brands in an average query than those in a ChatGPT search. And Google AI Mode is more of a selective curator, mentioning fewer brands, but relying on citations, elevating brands with more third-party positive mentions. BrightEdge argues this is more of a strength than a flaw, since each platform has its own personality and methodology to select top brands. And optimizing for one can help a brand improve performance on all three: An often-cited brand that performs better in Google’s AI Mode will find those citations feeding the Google AI Overview mention algorithms, and building authority for ChatGPT. Also, more authority through ChatGPT could help bolster the Google AI platforms’ confidence in a brand recommendation.

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STREAMING
Huntr/x isn’t a real band, but they are a real phenomenon. The K-pop girl group is the star of Netflix’s animated blockbuster movie KPop Demon Hunters, which just became Netflix’s most watched movie ever, with 236 million views to date. And the story of the band of secret demon hunters challenging the rival boy band Saja Boys just keeps breaking new records everywhere. Forbes senior contributor Hugh McIntyre writes that songs from the movie are at the top of the charts in several countries, with four out of the five top tracks on the Billboard Global 200. Last weekend, the movie was released in 1,700 U.S. theaters for an extremely limited run—bypassing large chains like AMC entirely, writes Forbes senior contributor Paul Tassi—and was the week’s top grossing movie at the domestic box office.

Tassi writes that a sequel is already in the works, with Sony—which made the movie and sold it to Netflix—and Netflix already talking about the particulars. The mix of the movie and its songs, plus the deep characters and slightly violent story, make KPop Demon Hunters a win with several kids who talked to CNN. But it also highlights the power of young viewers on streaming platforms. Netflix has harnessed this previously through the smashing success of CoComelon, Ms. Rachel, and its newly signed deal with former NASA engineer and YouTube star Mark Rober, who will make an educational family competition show for the platform.

Anil Chakravarthy, Adobe President of Digital Experience Business.   Adobe
ON MESSAGE
How Adobe Uses AI To Improve CX
AI can help improve the customer experience for your brand’s online presence. But there are big questions behind a strategy of plugging AI in to improve CX. How much personalization is too much? Can AI mess things up instead of helping? How can the technology be best used? I talked to Adobe President of Digital Experience Business Anil Chakravarthy to get some insight. This conversation has been edited for length, clarity and continuity.

How do you determine what’s the right balance between personalizing content to keep a customer interested and wanting to engage more, and not making them uncomfortable by using information you know about them? 

Chakravarthy: The line there is something that you realize customer by customer, because not every customer is the same. Some people are like, ‘Oh, I’m fine with being reminded. I was trying to book a trip to go somewhere. I didn’t finish booking the trip, and they sent me a reminder to finish booking, and I actually like the reminder.’ Another person goes, ‘Wow, that was annoying. I don’t want to be reminded. I already went through a different channel and I already booked my travel, or I canceled. I’m not interested at all. I don’t want to get the reminder.’ There’s no perfect answer.

The only real answer is to be able to gather as much data—not only about the actions that the brand is taking in terms of putting out an offer, a message, a reminder or an ad—but also taking the reaction into account. If I put an ad for you and say, ‘Hey, reminder: You were trying to book a trip to New York,’ and you want to complete it, you go ahead and follow up on it, I know that it worked for you. That’s a data point that says that was a good thing to do. Same thing, if I did that for another customer, and the person completely ignored it, that is the other data point. 

AI is capable of learning both through positive reinforcement, as well as through negative reinforcement when an outcome that you’re expecting doesn’t happen. You can train the AI to get the right balance because ultimately, it’s in every brand’s interest to make sure that they’re putting in front of prospective customers something of interest to them so that they actually take the action. 

It costs them money to do that. It’s wasted if I’m trying to do that with somebody who’s not interested. If it upsets them, that’s a double whammy. Minimizing that is a key part of how we apply AI.

When using AI to enhance the customer journey and experience, are there any AI-related pitfalls that companies should look out for?

Yes. Start first with hallucination. When you’re using an AI model, the AI models tend to hallucinate. They may come up with text responses, images or video that are entirely generated, that never existed in real life. It’s very important to know where hallucination might be okay and where it’s not. If you are a pharmaceutical company using AI and you established a chatbot or a conversational interface with a customer who’s a potential patient looking for information, you don’t want there to be any [hallucination]. It depends on the context.

Second, depending on your industry, you need to know: If you provide some information to a customer or a patient or whoever, where did that information come from? You don’t necessarily find that through all the LLMs and AI tools, because they synthesize information from a lot of different places. They give you the synthesis, but they won’t say where it came from. Depending on your brand and depending on your product, it may matter a lot on where the information came from. You need to be able to trace it back. 

Third, when you are depending on your brand, you want to make sure that the AI you’re using is not misusing somebody else’s intellectual property. The AI might have been trained on your competitors’ ads and has ingested all of them. You go in and say, ‘Hey, I’m a real estate company. I’m trying to generate an ad for a home I’m selling.’ But you don't want that to come up with exactly the same ad that your competitor had. 

The fourth one is the same thing; the other side of the coin. You want to make sure that anything that’s your intellectual property, your trade secrets, are not used by the AI or misused by that AI. Say [you’re working with] Coca-Cola. You’re using AI to generate all these new images and videos and so on, which are true to the Coca-Cola brand, but you don’t want all those images to be used for some other brand somewhere else. That should be only for your use.

How much does AI raise the bar for what is considered good CX?

It raises the bar to the extent that it is fast becoming table stakes. Without it, you cannot really deliver the kind of customer experience that especially the next generation of customers want. This is the generation of customers that’s used to everything to be personalized. They can’t think of something where they go to a generic website. Going to the DMV, they feel like, ‘Wow, I can’t believe that this is how you provide service.’ They assume a number of things about what you know about them and what the level of experience needs to be. 

It is not just the personalization. It’s the kinds of things like: How do I understand and have empathy for you? How do I understand are you really in the market for something? When should I be selling to you? When should I be educating you? When should I be trying to guide you, and when should I just be quiet with you? Understanding that and applying that is raising the bar.

What advice would you give to a CMO about AI’s proper use for CX, and how to go forward with it?

You should be doing this. This is table stakes and it affects every industry, every brand. Ignoring it is not an option. You should be working with AI. 

Second, remember that it’s not just plugging in a new technology. AI is a catalyst for fundamentally changing your process, going from more of a waterfall-type process to an agile process. It’s a way of changing your operating model so that you’re going from a quarterly cadence or a monthly cadence, to a continuous operating cadence. You’re operating in minutes, days, hours.

It’s about your people and your organization and your skills, because there are many jobs that you have in your current organization that AI is going to do, but that doesn’t mean that those people can’t be re-skilled and are not interested in doing other things. They can do a lot more with AI. We always believe that AI amplifies the ability of the human. Instead of thinking from a marketer’s perspective, AI will replace the people I have, think how do I amplify what my people can do with AI? That’s what is going to get you the leapfrog effect.

Then, in selecting the technology partner that you want to work with, make sure that it is somebody who will invest and innovate with you for the long term, and who has the right business model so that they don’t have problems with hallucination or intellectual property. That their interests are aligned with yours. 

COMINGS + GOINGS
  • Commerce and advertising company Criteo promoted Connor McGogney to chief strategy officer. McGogney joined Criteo in 2018 and most recently worked as chief business development officer, and has also held leadership roles at Nielsen and Credit Suisse.
  • Senior advocacy organization AARP selected Anna E. Banks to be its executive vice president and chief marketing officer. Banks most recently worked as senior vice president at Sephora North America, and has also held senior marketing roles at Walmart Global eCommerce.
  • Restaurant chain Applebee’s appointed Michelle Chin as chief marketing officer, effective September 2. Chin joins the company after working at Starbucks as VP for its Reserve & Roastery unit, and she has also worked for Godiva and Unilever.
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